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		<title>By: Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem solved itself by becoming another problem:
My Thinkpad burned out, so I am working off an EEE with Debian at the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem solved itself by becoming another problem:<br />
My Thinkpad burned out, so I am working off an EEE with Debian at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you stick with Fedora, go with Debian or #!? Or other?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you stick with Fedora, go with Debian or #!? Or other?</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://writtenandread.net/open-source-snobbery/comment-page-1/#comment-45212</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I say go with whatever works, as long as it&#039;s FOSS =P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say go with whatever works, as long as it&#8217;s FOSS =P</p>
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		<title>By: mjjzf</title>
		<link>http://writtenandread.net/open-source-snobbery/comment-page-1/#comment-34874</link>
		<dc:creator>mjjzf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wifi-Radar, perhaps?
Anyway, I came across this:
http://task3.cc/190/networkmanager-on-slackware-13-37/
- so NM is certainly an option. Also, since I use my own network 4 out of 5 times, I could probably make do with wpa_supplicant.
This *is* weird, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wifi-Radar, perhaps?<br />
Anyway, I came across this:<br />
<a href="http://task3.cc/190/networkmanager-on-slackware-13-37/" rel="nofollow">http://task3.cc/190/networkmanager-on-slackware-13-37/</a><br />
- so NM is certainly an option. Also, since I use my own network 4 out of 5 times, I could probably make do with wpa_supplicant.<br />
This *is* weird, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjarke Todbjerg Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjarke Todbjerg Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the moment I simply use network-manager, but I don&#039;t actually recall what I used in Slackware. Probably WICD :-P . I seem to remember that there was another WICD like application which I may have used, but the name escapes me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment I simply use network-manager, but I don&#8217;t actually recall what I used in Slackware. Probably WICD <img src='http://writtenandread.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />  . I seem to remember that there was another WICD like application which I may have used, but the name escapes me.</p>
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		<title>By: mjjzf</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjjzf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it is one of those IBM-hardware-pretending-to-be-standardised things. Do you use WICD?
Interestingly, after I have screwed up my Fedora install by pulling out a lot of services and modifying my Lxdm, it is actually much nicer. So right now I am... less distressed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is one of those IBM-hardware-pretending-to-be-standardised things. Do you use WICD?<br />
Interestingly, after I have screwed up my Fedora install by pulling out a lot of services and modifying my Lxdm, it is actually much nicer. So right now I am&#8230; less distressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjarke Todbjerg Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjarke Todbjerg Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morten; Well, that&#039;s a valid point - cramping your Slackware system with a bloated kernel from some other distribution might somehow defy the purpose of Slackware. It would definitely show you whether your problem was solely a kernel thing, though.
ipw2200 you say - I use that firmware on the thinkpad. Mine is a PRO/Wireless 2915ABG wireless chip which seemed to work well in Slackware.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morten; Well, that&#8217;s a valid point &#8211; cramping your Slackware system with a bloated kernel from some other distribution might somehow defy the purpose of Slackware. It would definitely show you whether your problem was solely a kernel thing, though.<br />
ipw2200 you say &#8211; I use that firmware on the thinkpad. Mine is a PRO/Wireless 2915ABG wireless chip which seemed to work well in Slackware.</p>
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		<title>By: mjjzf</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjjzf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bjarke,
Yeah... about that.
Funny thing is, the reason I use Slackware is simplicity. Doing the setup and fixing up the scripts is so transparent that there is not a lot of work to it. And as you say, you and I have built a kernel or two in our time, though it has been a while in my case.
I actually suspected the firmware, since the IPW2200 requires something extra - but that is apparently updated, so there shouldn&#039;t be an issue.
To be honest, most distributions drive me crazy. I love Debian in so many ways, but the dependency handling, as in &lt;em&gt;I am just going to install this, this and that, because you may at some point conceivably need it&lt;/em&gt; can drive me up the wall. So I expect to be troubleshooting alongside my daily system.
I am also considering a Slackware downgrade, since I build most things from Slackbuilds.org anyway. That will also fix my suspend and resume issue (well, only resume, actually, but... you know).

Philip,
The only PAE issues I had were with the RHEL family, and I got the impression that their big iron-approach means that they basically Can&#039;t Be Bothered(TM) with non-PAE hardware.
I am taking Crunchbang in as well - your approach to Openbox is exactly how I like it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bjarke,<br />
Yeah&#8230; about that.<br />
Funny thing is, the reason I use Slackware is simplicity. Doing the setup and fixing up the scripts is so transparent that there is not a lot of work to it. And as you say, you and I have built a kernel or two in our time, though it has been a while in my case.<br />
I actually suspected the firmware, since the IPW2200 requires something extra &#8211; but that is apparently updated, so there shouldn&#8217;t be an issue.<br />
To be honest, most distributions drive me crazy. I love Debian in so many ways, but the dependency handling, as in <em>I am just going to install this, this and that, because you may at some point conceivably need it</em> can drive me up the wall. So I expect to be troubleshooting alongside my daily system.<br />
I am also considering a Slackware downgrade, since I build most things from Slackbuilds.org anyway. That will also fix my suspend and resume issue (well, only resume, actually, but&#8230; you know).</p>
<p>Philip,<br />
The only PAE issues I had were with the RHEL family, and I got the impression that their big iron-approach means that they basically Can&#8217;t Be Bothered(TM) with non-PAE hardware.<br />
I am taking Crunchbang in as well &#8211; your approach to Openbox is exactly how I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: corenominal</title>
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		<dc:creator>corenominal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another vote for Debian. It is well worth the bit of work required to get into it. Also, I think it should gain bonus points for being a 100% community run distro. Regarding the PAE issues, Debian&#039;s 486 flavoured kernel should be fine for your system :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another vote for Debian. It is well worth the bit of work required to get into it. Also, I think it should gain bonus points for being a 100% community run distro. Regarding the PAE issues, Debian&#8217;s 486 flavoured kernel should be fine for your system <img src='http://writtenandread.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bjarke Todbjerg Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjarke Todbjerg Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 10:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being forced into distro exile due to some small, yet annoyingly persistent bug is frustrating. Somehow, knowing you, I&#039;d think that you&#039;d be more satisfied installing Slackware and giving the troubleshooting a real go :-) For instance, you could download the entire source tarball for the actual kernel configuration used on your Fedora system and try compiling it in Slackware. At least i presume that Fedora packages an easily portable kernel tarball - Ubuntu and Debian does.
That being said, taking Debian for a spin is not a bad idea. Personally I haven&#039;t bothered about using Slackware for a while, for the simple reason that I can&#039;t put my finger on anything that needs changing in the default Debian install.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being forced into distro exile due to some small, yet annoyingly persistent bug is frustrating. Somehow, knowing you, I&#8217;d think that you&#8217;d be more satisfied installing Slackware and giving the troubleshooting a real go <img src='http://writtenandread.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  For instance, you could download the entire source tarball for the actual kernel configuration used on your Fedora system and try compiling it in Slackware. At least i presume that Fedora packages an easily portable kernel tarball &#8211; Ubuntu and Debian does.<br />
That being said, taking Debian for a spin is not a bad idea. Personally I haven&#8217;t bothered about using Slackware for a while, for the simple reason that I can&#8217;t put my finger on anything that needs changing in the default Debian install.</p>
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